Poll Results: Should Nan Rich Drop Out of the Governor’s Race?

Almost 1.300 TFS readers voted in our poll this week (which has now been closed) and the results could not be tighter. A slight majority of you believed that former Senate Minority Leader Nan Rich should continue in the Governor’s race. Former Governor Charlie Crist has what appears to be an overwhelming lead in the Democratic Primary. The winner will face unpopular Republican Governor Rick Scott in November. Pressure has been mounting for Senator Rich to withdraw from the race, although Governor Crist’s campaign has been far from a well-oiled machine over the past several months.

The Democratic establishment has lined up firmly behind Governor Crist while many leading progressives support Senator Rich. While Crist leads the battle for endorsements (which it worth reminding are readers rarely if ever translate directly to masses of votes) it is not as if Rich is completely without support from organizations and elected officials.

Full poll results after the jump.

45 comments

  1. I believe our new blog has kept Krishnaiyer more honest. We have revealed the agenda behind Rich’s continued candidacy. We are seeing more objectivity from TFS. A better dialogue. We have more coming. We will reveal the Progressive Choice group soon. The group funded by republicans claiming to be democrats. The group slamming Charlie Crist.

    We are pleased we have impacted the debate. We have kept TFS from going over the ledge in support of republican interests.

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    1. Wendy Sejour (not hiding behind a pseudonym) · · Reply

      You are completely delusional. Give it up, no one believes your party bullshit.

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    2. Soon? Why not now? Grow a pair of balls!

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  2. Roger · · Reply

    She is simply causing problems now. The race has run its course. Get out and support the democratic team!

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  3. Dems in Action · · Reply

    And what happens when Crist loses to Scott? Will we get change in leadership? No, you’ll just blame those of us who supported Rich. I for one will vote for the Democratic winner of the primary, even if I have to hold my nose.

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    1. Many of us that have left the R party are watching how some D voters are “holding their nose”. It sounds so much like the extreme Rs that call moderate Rs “Rinos”. We are starting to not see a difference. If you are not welcoming new people to your party, the one that has not exactly been winning much, perhaps its time for us to create a new party.

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      1. Could be you have not left the Republican Party as far behind as you imagine that you have. So much vitriol expressed, over and over, against a legit Democrat progressive who, over a dozen years, never lost an election to the Florida legislature and chosen by her colleagues in the senate as their leader. Sen. Rich has earned the right to seek her party’s nomination for governor.

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  4. All anonymous commenters and the so called other blog. You are all slanderous cowards. No one reads your crap and the few that do are all working for Charlie and the FDP. You know who I am. I speak truth to power. You weasels have no power and that is why you are cowards.

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    1. Broward Bob · · Reply

      the opinion of short bald new yawk stalkers who are paid scott operatives carries no weight, Josie.

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  5. Concerned Democrat · · Reply

    The sad reality of Nan’s candidacy is that many of her “progressive” supporters have clearly stayed here that if Nan looses that they will vote for Scott or sit home ( which in itself is also a vote for Scott and to me that defies the meaning of sanity!

    If good decent Democrats realize the reality that Charlie may have just switched and he may not be perfect (no candidate really is!) but the alternative is Rick Scott then that choice to me is easy.

    Because allowing Rick Scott another 4 more years because your mad at Charlie or Nan because she lost is ridiculous!

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    1. Chris Wilson · · Reply

      It is nothing short of IMMORAL to participate in ANY manner in the reelection of Rick Scott. Period. It is nothing short of immoral. Get a grip of yourselves, people!

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    2. If those Ds you mention can actually be that darn stupid and vote for Rick Scott or not vote at all, then they deserve what they get and then it is time to get rid of the D party as it exists . Now I know why they cannot win even when the rs give them so many reason to win.
      I blame this on the ego of Nan Rich. She will be personally responsible if that happens.. If she is the type of person that could sit back, be angry, and let Rick Scott win, then she is just as bad as he is because then she is not in it for the right reasons at all. The needs of the people and the state come first.If her skin is so thin that she can’t handle the “politics” and reality of it all then she is definitely not ready to lead a state like Fl.

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      1. You have totally misrepresented Sen. Rich. Plainly, you are not following her campaign. She has, throughout, consistently sed that she unequivocally will support the Democratic nominee for Florida governor. Regrettably, the leadership of the Fla. Dems has not been as stateswomanly as Sen. Rich is and has been throughout.

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      2. Demodaysi · ·

        Nancy, you are delusional. Nan’s voters don’t want to vote for Charlie does not mean we are Rick Scott supporters. You re the desparate ones who think we should be clones and vote for Charlie.

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  6. Right now Nan Rich is essentially serving as The Campaign Manager for Rick Scott.

    This is why we cannot have a debate!!!

    All she will do is throw barbs at Crist to help Scott. Scandal monger and other stuff.

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    1. So, you opposed democracy then?

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    2. Demodaysi · · Reply

      Stop it. You are giving the impression that if we don’t agree with you, we can’t decipher who to vote for. We are intelligent voters who know the issues. I am an elected official, Mayor Daisy Black and like Wendy, proud to give my support to Nan.

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  7. Wendy Sejour (not hiding behind a pseudonym) · · Reply

    I am not voting for Crist because of who he is, not because of anything else. I believe that he represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic Party today and those who are supporting him are enabling the party to continue with failed policy and take the base for granted. As my grandmother always told me, literally died for my right to vote and I will not just give it to an amoral coward who is only about his own power. If Crist is the nominee I will vote in every race and work my ass off for the down ballot candidates that earned my vote, but will not lift a finger for Crist and I will not vote in that race, PERIOD.

    My belief that Crist cannot beat Scott is just a strong as your belief that he can so guilt will not work on me. Don’t bother to reply to chastise me or argue to change my mind. We survived 8 years of George Bush and over 20 years of Republican rule in this state and we can survive until 2016 when we can hopefully field a candidate with a moral center and true belief in the Democratic platform.

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    1. Susan McGrath · · Reply

      Correction, people like you are what’s wrong with the Democratic Party. Hold on to your sanctimonious attitude and put a Republican in office for another four years. Why don’t you just change your registration? That way we identify who you’re supporting.

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      1. Crist will be the one responsible for putting Scott in office and those who see him as some kind of savior instead of the snake he is.

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      2. Actually, Crist is responsible for Rick Scott because he decided to run for US Senate in 2010 instead of running for reelection as a Republican for governor.

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      3. Susan you are so right on this one. The Ds cannot win and they keep doing the sane goofy things. Imagine a Rick Scott for another 4 years when he does not need another vote again and he is unleashed? The Ds that say they will vote for Scott or not vote are worse then the Rs and very dangerous. They are taking down their own party and have no clue hoe close the Rs and their corporate owners are to owning this country.

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    2. Such a candidate has already earned the Democratic nomination for Florida governor this year! Vote Nan Rich on Aug. 26!

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      1. Susan McGrath · ·

        You earn the nomination by receiving the most votes. We’ll see if that’s going to happen, but clearly by who the Rs are targeting, they don’t see much threat in Nan Rich.

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  8. Tom Bryson · · Reply

    A version of these comments were posted as a reply to Chris Wilson in the “Wednesday Open Thread”.

    I post them here as a comment.

    You could be right about Charlie winning the Democratic primary. We will get the answer in August. Everyone in our party agrees Rick Scott needs to go. What is unwarranted is the premise that Charlie is the only one that can do that job or that he is the one with the best chance of success.

    I fully understand the importance of winning and the necessity for pragmatism in politics, however I find our current circumstances humiliating. How did we ever get ourselves in such desperate straits that we must rely on a recycled Republican to represent our party for the highest office in the State. Ideology is the mother of politics and the two parties have two very different mothers. What do you say about a man who has abandoned his mother? Charlie’s mother is very displeased and very anxious to whip his ass with the willow switch as soon as she gets the chance. Call that Charlie’s first problem.

    Charlie comes to our party as a homeless unemployed orphan. Democrats of course are all about homeless orphans and especially when the orphan possesses a brand new term as Governor of Florida. The prospect is irresistible. Drop what you’re doing our problem is solved. After all Charlie is certainly entitled to his final term, isn’t he? Charlie will go back to the Governor’s mansion and the evil Rick Scott will be erased from the lexicon of Florida politics forever. We’ll turn back the clock and things will be just like they were before Charlie abandoned his incumbency. It is the birth of a myth, a myth skillfully propagated by the Crist campaign. But having the Party leadership choose the nominee isn’t something we Democrats do and barring some special magic, the candidate Charlie will need to endure a primary. Call that Charlie’s second problem.

    Charlie has a lot more money than his primary opponent. Charlie has the majesty of former Governor in his pocket. Charlie knows all the progressive talking points by heart. But if Charlie is to win in November, he needs the support of Democrats. This support will not be bestowed on him from on high and it can’t be purchased at Nordstrom. It must be earned. Alex Sink was a candidate with a proven track record as a Democrat. She lost to Rick Scott by 61,000 votes. Charlie will need to rally the Democrats if he is to win. Unfortunately, by ignoring the primary and his opponent, he not only disrespects our hospitality but squanders an opportunity to deal with problem number three.

    If Charlie wins the primary as many suggest, November will hold no real choice for voters. Democrats will vote for Charlie because they don’t like Rick and Republicans will vote for Rick because they don’t like Charlie. This because the Democratic party has traded away its principals and values for a mythological victory in November. The silver lining for Democrats is that every day that Charlie continues his empty campaign, his primary win becomes less certain. Democrats could end up with a real candidate and voters could have a real choice after all.

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    1. Tom Bryson this is the most thoughtful analysis and elegant writing expressing the problems with Crist and the party that I have seen so far. I wish I had your gift of prose.

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    2. Preach it, Brother Bryson! Sho nuff preach it! Thank you!

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  9. A voice of reason · · Reply

    What is wrong with having a vibrant debate in the primary and then coming together after?

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    1. This my view. Historically primaries have helped parties hone their message, build a campaign infrastructure and emerge with more energy for the fall.

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      1. Exactly. Historically, that is all primaries were for. They did not have any delegates or nominations attached to them. They were just used as a measure of popular support.

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  10. Nan Rich must drop out

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  11. It appears that Democrats are getting concerned…..we just can’t invasion another Scott
    term….we can’t accept what he stands for……the HCA background is so troubling…..however,
    do we settle for someone who makes us uncomfortable with his rhetoric….Crist should have
    reached out to Rich (maybe he has and it’s just politics)……what’s even more sad…is that
    if these candidates are a representation of who we are, we are in trouble….

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  12. Most people have no clue who Nan Rich is.

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    1. Way too much protesting, Sister Argenziano! A smidge or a smudge jealous of Sen. Rich’s stature, sounds like!

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    2. Demodaysi · · Reply

      According to you Nancy. As former vice chair of the Miami Dade DEC, I know who Nan is and have been sending out messages to voters in Miami Dade County. A recent forum in Miami Dade let voters know she is the best candidate and Charlie is just a performer.

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  13. Concerned Democrat · · Reply

    Dear KK & TT,

    NO NOT TRUE you are both very wrong…historically divisive Democratic primaries have HURT the Democrats and assured the Republican a victory..

    Let me refresh everyone’s memories…

    Unknown Republican Bob Martinez was elected Governor after a bad Democratic Primary between Dem Sec of State Jim Smith who ran against Jacksonville Steve Pajic and where Democrats (like those who have stated here that they are NOT voting for Crist)

    Jim Davis lost after a bad primary that elected Charlie Crist.

    Bill Mac Bride lost his run after a tough primary with Janet Reno

    And on and on…

    And I can see it happening here again…by the stupid comments from Democratic people here who actually say they are voting for Scott or sitting home…

    That’s why we have been on a 20 year loosing streak that will hurt us for another 20 years because of this bad primary where we are not united behind one candidate like the Republicans are…

    And we will have Nan to thanks along with all the others I mentioned…

    And the Republicans and their right wing Tea Party big business do nothing conservative nuts will be “laughing all the way to the bank”…

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    1. Speaking of Jim Davis I would argue him having a TOUGH primary AND runoff against Sandy Freedman in 1996 won him a congressional seat that very easily could have fallen into GOP hands otherwise. 1990 Chiles against Nelson helped us as well. I would argue the 2004 US Senate Primary hurt us but that was because of the tactics of the Deutch supporters. On the GOP side they were helped by their primary which was particularly divisive and in 2010 they most certainly helped by the Gubernatorial primary. Do you think Bob Graham was helped or hurt in the 1978 by the primary AND runoff before facing Jack Eckerd. I find far more examples of primaries helping than hurting. Problem is Rich isn’t exactly the type of candidate running the type of campaign to push Crist.

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      1. Concerned Democrat · ·

        KK,

        I was there personally for both the Jim Davis for Congress and Bob Graham for Governor campaigns..and your mixing apples and Oranges,,,.the Davis (Castor) congressional seat is a gerrymandered Demicratic seat in Tampa and a Democrat was going to win that regardless. David’s opponent Mayor Freedman at the time took the cars away from the cops to save money and all the city unions vowed to get even with her and they did.

        Graham ran for Governor at the tine when the Demicrats far outnumbered the Republucans unlike today and the late great political consultant Bob Squires who also got Pres Jimmy Carter elected had a young good looking and energetic Stare Sen Bob Graham running against a very ugly acne faced Attorney General named Bob Shevin and after dispatching Shevin finished off a very old and equally ugly and bald headed very rich drug store magnate from St Pete in Jack Eckerd (who kind of looks like another very rich hospital owner in Rick Scott!)

        I almost forgot another Republican Governor who got elected after the Dems tore each other apart…Gov Claude Kirk…who win after Democrat Haydon Burns fought an ugly primary against Miamian Robert King High..

        I wish I could believe you and Troter but in all these instances I’ve mentioned, the Progressive wing of the Democrstic Party (Nan Rich ) has always split from the modest to conservative wing that appeals to the middle (Charlie Crist) and the result is the election of a long string of some Gid Awful Republican Governers that have ruined our great state and I can see the train wreck coming again

        That’s why Nan needs to quit because the first rule of law in ANY election is “how much have you raised?” And we all know the answer to that…weather you like it or not !

        The second rule of law in elections us “how are you polling?” And we all know the answer to that as well.

        So Nan and all you Progressives need to look in the mirror and ask yourselves, “what is the ultimate goal here?”

        And the answer should be beating Tea Party Repubublican Rick Scott!

        If your answer is “I don’t care, I’m only care about proving a point” Then you don’t know anything about politics and winning and loosing elections and Nan and the rest of you are leading us on a suicide mission for which there is only a loosing proposition ahead.

        I hope and pray I’m wrong! But I’ve seen this movie and train wreck before!

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      2. Actually keep in mind that district was not gerrymandered till 2002. Mark Sharpe gave Sam Gibbons one heck of a race in 1994. In 1996 with the seat open their was genuine fear the Ds would lose it and the feeling was Freedman was too liberal to hold the seat. On the rest of the points you are correct. Robert King High, left-winger who was for civil rights thus out of step with the state never should been nominated in 66 but he did and he tore the party apart. Governor Burns was the reasonable mainstream choice, but High won the primary and cost the Ds the election. That is very true and if Nan Rich were nominated you could argue her viewpoints are as out of the mainstream as High’s were in 66. That is a very valid argument, that election.

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    2. Demodaysi · · Reply

      To concerned democrat. You could not be more wrong. from 2003-2009, I was an officer with the Democratic Black Caucus of Florida and we whole heartedly supported all democratic candidates. I was state president(2006) when Jim Davis ran and worked my but off to get him elected in the primary. He won the primary and lost to a bitter campaign with Charlie Crist and I do mean bitter (nasty). I will not forget what he said and did to the democratic candidate. The same strategy he used to defeat Jim Davis will be used to defeat him(Crist). His loss will not have anything to do with Nan. Stop blaming Nan for a poorly organized campaign for Charlie Crist. If he loses, he loses on his own merit. Daisy Black, 2003-2007 Democratic Black Caucus of Florida President.

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      1. Concerned Democrat · ·

        Dems days aka Daisy Black,

        You left out a key point which has been my point about Democrats beating each other up in the primary and then loosing to the Republican…

        Jim Davis won a bitter primary against Rod Smith and after Rod’s loss, several of Rod’s top Democratic people went to work for…you guessed it…Republican Charlie Crist and did many other dejected Rod Smith supporters

        And on top of that your are right about one thing, Charlie Crist & Co did run a much better campaign than Jim Davis….and Jim Davis is still bitter to this day and worked overtime to get over the hill Bill Nelson to run for Governor cause he knew that the other 70 plus year old option Nan Rich wasn’t happening either.

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  14. Do you plan to repeat this Push Poll yet again, Fla. Squeeze? Or are you gonna hang it up now?

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  15. The New York Times reports today as follows: Single women, Democrats say, will determine whether they keep Senate seats in states including Alaska, Colorado, Iowa, Michigan and North Carolina — and with them, their Senate majority — and seize governorships in Florida, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, among other states.
    The party is using advanced data-gathering techniques to identify unmarried women, especially those who have voted in presidential elections but skipped midterms. http://tinyurl.com/VoteNanRichAug26

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  16. I am sick of all the B.S. Who ever thinks Chicken Charlie has a shot in hell of beating Scott is truly delusional. He is sinking like a rock. He has fallen double digits and is currently losing. Scott hasn’t even started to tear him apart. They have enough on Charlie to indict him. Meanwhile Nan is uptrending and has all the momentum. She only trails Scott by 6 points with 22% undecided……………..PPP Poll. Oh by the way, The survey states that 48% of the respondents think of Charlie unfavorable. I challenge anyone to dispute these facts.

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    1. Broward Bob · · Reply

      no one knows who she is. people like you, silly wimes, and other trolls are turning off voters, Josie. she’ll be lucky to get 25% of the primary votes. good job helping rick scott, Josie.

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